The 7RM with bullets 160-190 will out perform the 280s but for general use and average ranges not much difference. I think the 280 AI would be a fun "mini elr" rig and an effective western hunter. All Tikka have a long action regardles of caliber. A little on the heavy side, but recoil is almost non existent . Handloads performance is equal or better than a 7mm mag. Before spending 1500-2000 on a custom, try a Tikka for around 650.00, smith could ream the chamber for around 200. Tikka would be fine if u can find one the Winchester in a 7-08 is a other hard one to find. Alaska Outdoors I know the 7 Mag has that much "disliked" belt but I neck size my once fired so it head spaces off the shoulder.The 7MM holds one less in the magazine but not a big deal..I've never had a 280 AI but would think the standard 280 or 7 MM Express would feed more smoothly. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The .280AI has about about a 6% powder capacity advantage over the standard .280, given the same brass fire-formed. Is there nothing so sacred on this earth that you aren't willing to kill or die for? Search continues I guess I missed out on a good deal on weatherby ultralight in a 7-08. Another way to look at the .280 AI is that it gets just about the same muzzle velocities, with the same bullet weights, as a .30-06 handloaded to "modern" pressures. To post to our forums, please register. Will easily shoot deer, pig, goat, sheep size game out to 1000 yards. Custom 280AI with 26barrel 1:9 twist will stabilize the longer 175 and 180gr's too long range, there are lots of quality bullets too choose from for the reloaders. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. The cartridge is more than capable of taking large game like elk and moose, but it can do so with less powder and less recoil than magnum cartridges like the 7mm Rem. Also drove a Saab for 7 years, so maybe I am just different! Hunting. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." Take off 100-150 fps and 10 grains of bullet weight compared to 280 AI ... recoil would be just a little less distracting. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. for a free forum account |  Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership | Manage Your Account/Update Password. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. It is popular enough that Nosler both chambers its fine rifles in .280 AI and produces .280 AI in its custom line of ammunition, as well as providing component brass for handloaders that would rather not take the time to fireform cases. I allws thought the 7 WSM was the best of the bunch, but interstet has kind of died in the WSM's..I had a 257 AI once and ity was a pain to fire form case and couldn't tell that is was any better than the Bob, only advantage was not much case trimming.I shoot the std 280 Remington and like it a lot. It's got a bit more life numbers wise, but it does use the powder burn rating to adjust it. to a 280 AI if that is required. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. I've shot everything I mention in this post, and if light recoil and good performance is what you are after, the 280AI will do it. Basically near 7mm mag with less powder and recoil. By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a … I have a 270 it just has seen better days. Feb 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. My estimate for the .280 AI's about 2000 rounds. Why does everyone love the 280 AI? You’re talking about a cartridge suitable for a wide variety of game without the recoil of a magnum round. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. I have shot a lot of 7mm08, 280 AI & some 7mm Rem Mag. 280 AI Handy for Handloading You can buy a 700 30-06 and re-barrel, and make it the way you want. From my understanding kimber is discontinuing the 260 as a chambering as well. More The Gun Nuts. Will easily shoot deer, pig, goat, sheep size game out to 1000 yards. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 5 of 5 Posts. The factory 280 can almost push the limited of the 7mm Mag, the 280 AI can match it. Also, and in general, rifles chambered for the 280 Ackley will usually weigh less mostly do to barrel contours offered. It's got a bit more life numbers wise, but it does use the powder burn rating to adjust it. for a free forum account |  Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership |, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307769604, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308522858, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=307841390, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308571726, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308041951, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308052355. I prefer the 280 ai. The .280 Ackley Improved (.280 AI) was registered with SAAMI in 2007 by Nosler. Great velocity but at what kind of pressures? Sniperwannabee CWO. Don't know if the kimber is twisted fast enough for 7mm 150 long range accubonds but should be fine with 140 grain accubond or 160 partitions. If you need a 280 AI have a smith ream out the chamber on a 7/08 and use a long magazine. The .280 Improved has been our best seller for 8 years. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. Outstanding wood with RH palm swell, superb fit and finish. Reactions: Raffy. Totally adequate on small African game or Antelope with the 120's. Recoil is mild, less than my 10.5# unbraked.260 pushing a 140 @ 2850. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for taking any hoofed game in … It's basically a .280 AI, that's been improved even more. But why? Recoil Levels in 7-pound Rifles. The 6.5 CM will however walk all over the 280 AI in the recoil department. Sgt USMC - a while ago. The advantages the 280 Ackley offer are less recoil, one extra round magazine capacity and last but not least, the 280 Ackley has cool appeal. Nosler ~ Custom ~ .280 AI Description: Nosler Custom rifle .280 AI. The Alaska Moose Hunting Guidebook is now available for Apple devices and for Amazon Kindle. I have been on the fence for awhile about jumping from the 280 to the 280 AI. Its supposed to be a really accuracte cartridge too and you will end up with prolly a pretty accurate rig since your action will be trued up, assuming its a decent barrel. SOLD Caliber Info:.280 … the same username and password for all areas. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Latest. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. Unless you are really recoil shy, a muzzle brake is not necessary on a .280 Improved. The 280AI also has a very high "Cool Factor". Guns. I have read Remington loaded a little light for the Remington autos, but not much difference to the hand loader. I shoot a 358 Winchester, and my 30-06 is getting turned into a 280 AI. The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. My shoulder does feel the after effects of a long bench session with the 7mm RM. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. It'll have a 26 Proof barrel, Lone Peak Ti action, Mcmillain stock, TriggerTech trigger, Hawkins Precision metal, and a VX 6 HD 3x18 Leupold. normal factory 280 rem is held to a lower psi because of the weaker pumps and auto loaders made in the past. My estimate for the .280 AI's about 2000 rounds. I went through all of this at the end of last year and decided on a custom built 280 ai by TS Custom Rifles in South Dakota. For your security, And panache? Also, the bullet selection is tremendous on 7mm. I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. To closer bridge the gap, I would look into the .280 Sherman. Looking at Midway there's more Factory loadings for a 7 Mag than a 280 and a 280 AI combined. Recoil and muzzle blast is comparable to 270-30 06. The 6.5 CM will however walk all over the 280 AI in the recoil department. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. Mag. My trip down the .280 AI path came because I wanted a Kimber and the 84L action housing the .280AI is smaller and lighter than the 8400 action housing the 7mm Rem Mag. I would add that I preferred the 24 inch .280AI barrel over the 26" that came with the 7mm mag. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. I live in CA and I recently had a .280 AI put together knowing that it would never see lead. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. I would not hesitate to use either cartridge for taking any hoofed game in … If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. the new AI is set at 65,000 psi and the 7mm rem mag is at 61,000 psi. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. Subsequently, Ruger has been considerate in leaving a mounting point in the forearm for those who would prefer this location for a front sling swivel stud. The first deer I shot I thought I had used a fire forming load the report was so mild. FWIW, my 280 AI recoil is significantly more than my 308. Both still to be found in 6.5x55...Too heavy? to a 280 AI if that is required. Mag., 150-grain bullet, 3,248 fps: 29.16 f-p recoil energy, 16.37 fps recoil velocity. Thousands upon thousands of animals have been taken worldwide with the Jarrett Rifle in .280 … 280 Ackley, 168 berger vld. I have an 8.5 # all up 280 ai on a model 70 action. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … I tend to like a little more bullet if elk are the intended game. I'd happily do a .280AI again but I'd want an 7-1/2 to 8 … The Contestants. in a strong rifle (most modern bolt gun) loaded to is full potential it will give better the the 270win. ... Use it for hunting and long range steel shooting. The 280s are more economical to load with cheaper brass and less powder used. I have two 7mm RMs, my personal favorites but the 280AI makes a lot of sense, good velocity without the magnum recoil and typically and extra cartridge in the magazine. Perfect for larger deer with the 140's and a real elk and moose buster with the 160's. Welcome! T3 lite is a handy little gun. The .280 AI is a standard SAAMI cartridge (thanks to Nosler) It costs nothing more to chamber to the AI version than the original .280 Rem cartridge. below. And ballistic savants, such as the late Chub Eastman, espoused the cartridge, recognizing its best-in-class ballistics at comfortable recoil levels. But 7mm bullets of the same weight and shape have higher ballistic coefficients. I was in you boat a few years ago and decided the 280 ai was a better fit for me. All times are GMT-9. Your actual numbers may vary. If she doesn't care for the recoil of a 308, I doubt she will enjoy a 280AI. PX Member. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. So I'll say this mostly because you said in the first post that you're somewhat new to rifle hunting - whatever you go with, seriously put in some realistic practice if … No real advantage over the 270 or 06, but just a bit different. But why? Of course the bigger recoil contributor is bullet mass. All Tikka have a long action regardles of caliber. I like a flat shooting rifle having grown up hunting senderos in deep South Texas, the 25-06, 243, 22-250 all were common around our hunting camps. This 360-page book is a great resource for any Alaska moose hunter, regardless of experience level. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. And panache? There is definite difference in felt recoil for each step up. Mag. The Alaska Shooting Forum is for connecting shooters in the 49th state. This page was generated at 1 minute ago. 5 Great Scout Rifles. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. The 165/168 gr's are able to put 2100 + ft-lbs out too 300 yards,,, 2200 ft-lbs with the AI case. Reactions: Raffy. If I didn't handload, my cartridge choice would be different. Handloads performance is equal or better than a 7mm mag. Here's a few quickies. There is definite difference in felt recoil for each step up. Is it too much for you to shoot all day? Push a 175-grain 2,800 fps in the 280 AI and it'll recoil 14 fps with 24 foot-pounds of energy in an 8-pound rifle. 5 Great Late-Season Hunting Trips. The .280 can be built with a long barrel and long free bore to produce both high velocity and low recoil, however it does have its velocity limitations, not weaknesses, but limitations. The Contestants. the rm holds about 8 more grains but with the higher psi the AI comes close to the RM. The 280 AI will be a better LR hunting cartridge because 7mm bullets have higher BC and the 280 AI is launching them faster, so it shoots flatter, almost as good as the 7mm rem mag. I figured that a .280 AI was in my future but now I don't think it is. One thing that drew me to the 280 AI was first, I have an AI itch. JD338 _____ As a long range medium game hunting cartridge, the .280 is limited by the abilities of the shooter to read wind more so than any limitation of cartridge wounding power. Because the .280 AI has less muzzle blast, less recoil, and more rounds snugged into that box magazine, for starters. Plenty for deer and elk and not bad on recoil. I think the 6.5 prc would be too! This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. more energy than the .280 Remington and about 150 ft.-lbs. 7mm Rem. Out of what I'm looking at, it comes chambered in 308, 280 AI, 30-06, and 270. Before spending 1500-2000 on a custom, try a Tikka for around 650.00, smith could ream the chamber for around 200. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. I think the 280 AI would be a fun "mini elr" rig and an effective western hunter. yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. The advantages the 280 Ackley offer are less recoil, one extra round magazine capacity and last but not least, the 280 Ackley has cool appeal. I don't mind fire forming and usually do 100 at a time, the time spent fire forming is somewhat made up for by the almost complete lack of trimming for the AI. ...... She shoots a 7/08 but its proving hard to find what I'm looking for either kimber, Winchester or the ruger light weight. ~Thomas Jefferson. more energy than the .280 Remington and about 150 ft.-lbs. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). Select a light load of a relatively fast powder (IMR4895 is great) from the standard .280 Remington data. the new AI is set at 65,000 psi and the 7mm rem mag is at 61,000 psi. I hunt elk, mule … I was in you boat a few years ago and decided the 280 ai was a better fit for me. T3 lite is a handy little gun. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. I have an 8.5 # all up 280 ai on a model 70 action. The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. ... light synthetic stock, spendy trigger, thick recoil lug, spendy scope. Also, and in general, rifles chambered for the 280 Ackley will usually weigh less mostly do to barrel contours offered. Her ruger was heavy she commented on it during a stalk on a bou at one point my buddy was carrying it for her... She lifted my kimber in a 325 she goes that's light.. The 6.5 swede is a great idea but finding one in a light rifle will prove difficult as well. Because the .280 AI has less muzzle blast, less recoil, and more rounds snugged into that box magazine, for starters. Differences between the 280, 280AI and 7RM are not earth shaking. While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. I have been on the fence for awhile about jumping from the 280 to the 280 AI. If you need a 280 AI have a smith ream out the chamber on a 7/08 and use a long magazine. The .280 Ackley is an improvement over a standard 280 Remington, and that’s not easy to do. Great price. Don't know if the kimber is twisted fast enough for 7mm 150 long range accubonds but should be fine with 140 grain accubond or 160 partitions. Feb 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years. I shot the 7RM as my primary rifle for nearly 40 years, now that I have a 280 AI the magnum only gets taken out of the safe for occasional fondling. Great velocity but at what kind of pressures? Why not just go to the 7MM Remington or Weatherby? The 280 AI will not give up any ballistics if you can use a similar BC projectile. I'd happily do a .280AI again but I'd want an 7-1/2 to 8 … The world, as it is, is vexing enough..." Col. Stonehill. Remember you`re asking rifle loonies a question with no answer..other than maybe "just because". Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip. It's based off the .270 Win/.280 Rem case, but the shoulder is moved even farther forward than the .280 AI, to get even more powder in there. in a strong rifle (most modern bolt gun) loaded to is full potential it will give better the the 270win. I shoot a 260, would not consider a Creed. August 2, 2006. Your actual numbers may vary. At 300 yards, the .280 AI with a 140-grainer delivers about 150 ft.-lbs. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. I'm hoping to have it in hand within the next two weeks. Appears as new, beautiful custom build. At 300 yards, the .280 AI with a 140-grainer delivers about 150 ft.-lbs. I really kinda narrowed it down to the 280 AI and the 308. My shoulder does feel the after effects of a long bench session with the 7mm RM. M/L. I prefer the 280 ai. Custom reticle Leupold scope, crisp trigger, decelerator recoil pad. When it’s time to head to the deer stand, I could grab a .30-06 or .243. Now with several companies making chambering the round I think I'm ready to make the jump even thought it might not be the ideal time. Sniperwannabee CWO. The 140 TSX gave me the best accuracy using IMR 4831 but its temp sensitive the LRX and GMX I couldnt get to fly. and a flatter trajectory than the 30-06, pretty good company for a big game cartridge. forums are viewable by anyone, and may be read by clicking the forum headings I have two rifles i've been eyeing one is the Kimber Montana and the other is the Montana Rifle Company E3. If the OP is looking for a light recoiling factory kimber, he will likely find he can get a higher BC projectile out of the 6.5 at similar muzzle velocity for 1/2 the recoil. The .280 Improved has been one of our best sellers because they work extremely well. Purchase and Download for $19.99 at the following links: Apple Devices. According to the 4-to-1 Rule,m amounts to a about a 1.5% advantage in velocity, when both rounds are loaded to the same pressure in the same barrel length. The 284/280/280AI recoil is significantly greater than a 6.5CM. less than the 7mm Remington Magnum. Anyway, I'd probably go with the .280 AI. I did miss a smoking deal on 260 in a kimber montanan on 24hour it lasted an hour. Improved, and have loaded and shot a whole bunch of 7mm Remington Magnum, and can attest to the fact that the .280 AI offers a significant reduction in recoil. It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. Loaded to the same pressure their is about 50 FPS difference between the 280 Rem and the 280AI, not worth the trouble to me. ... Use it for hunting and long range steel shooting. The combination of high BC’s combined with mild recoil, have made the .280 and .280 Ackley Improved wildcat, highly favored cartridges for long range hunters wanting to build light and set limits on recoil accordingly, recoil to both the shooter and rifle platform. The interesting thing I found was that my Kimber Montana 7mm08 at 6 lbs scoped is lively in my hands but the felt recoil on my shoulder is still mild. I'm over 3000 fps with 160s without pushing things. That’s not a gigantic difference, but it’s also not nothing either. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. Mag. Messages that specifically relate to shooting in Alaska are welcome. What the 280 AI does is get danged close to a 7mm mag in terms of velocity without the use of a belted case and with less powder, i.e., more efficient, similar trajectory with less recoil. I always thought the 7 WSM was the best of the bunch, but interest t has kind of died in the WSM's..I had a 257 AI once and ity was a pain to fire form case and couldn't tell that is was any better than the Bob, only advantage was not much case trimming.I shoot the std 280 Remington and like it a lot. What is noticeable is the noise and recoil reduction. Other bullet weights stack up about the same. There's an article in this web site (link's below) with a barrel life Excel formula based on my original one. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. Kyle kills a nice 6x6 Bull at 325 yards. Also, you have the advantage of shooting regular 280 ammo in a pinch. Lots of CZ 550's out there too. The contents of the Alaska Outdoors Supersite yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. A finely crafted and outstanding rifle. The .280 Sherman is ****-near a 7mmRM, but uses a standard '06 bolt face action. Why does everyone love the 280 AI? I tend to like a little more bullet if elk are the intended game. The interesting thing I found was that my Kimber Montana 7mm08 at 6 lbs scoped is lively in my hands but the felt recoil on my shoulder is still mild. Register Learn more! Slippin' in that full power cartridge might get ya a night on the couch ! When it’s time to head to the deer stand, I could grab a .30-06 or .243. Plenty for deer and elk and not bad on recoil. It’s a hot cartridge — as good as any hard-kicking over-bore capacity magnum in similar calibers — but without the harsh recoil. Re: 280 AI rifles [Re: jlink280] #15401220 11/10/20: Joined: Jan 2005. PX Member. Yes, and I think she would prefer a 260 or 7mm08 more than any 280 or 280AI if recoil is the issue. "I do not deal in hypotheticals. The 280 AI gives you heavier bullet options than the .270 Win. Life member NRA I prefer classic. Take off 100-150 fps and 10 grains of bullet weight compared to 280 AI ... recoil would be just a little less distracting. I have shot a lot of 7mm08, 280 AI & some 7mm Rem Mag. Select a light load of a relatively fast powder (IMR4895 is great) from the standard .280 Remington data. So I'll say this mostly because you said in the first post that you're somewhat new to rifle hunting - whatever you go with, seriously put in some realistic practice if … your account management area, forums and University require login. Comparing Kimber rifles, an 84L Montana .280 AI weighs about 10 oz less than an 8400 WSM Montana, is about 1/2" longer, holds one more round but will have more felt recoil given that typical .280 AI bullets have more energy at the muzzle and the rifle is lighter. Tons of 270 wsm out there ranging from kimbers to Tikkas. normal factory 280 rem is held to a lower psi because of the weaker pumps and auto loaders made in the past. 280 AI, 150-grain bullet, 3,100 fps: 26.86 f-p recoil energy, 15.7 fps recoil velocity. It'll have a 26 Proof barrel, Lone Peak Ti action, Mcmillain stock, TriggerTech trigger, Hawkins Precision metal, and a VX 6 HD 3x18 Leupold. Honestly if I had problems finding 280 AI brass, dies etc, I would just shoot the 280 Rem. Why not just go to the 7MM Remington or Weatherby? A little on the heavy side, but recoil is almost non existent . Minuteman. Great price. There's an article in this web site (link's below) with a barrel life Excel formula based on my original one. The 7mm Rem Mag load above still has about 3% more free recoil energy than the faster .280 AI load. M/L. 28 Nosler vs 280 AI. I went through all of this at the end of last year and decided on a custom built 280 ai by TS Custom Rifles in South Dakota. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. If The Recoil too much a 7 Mag you can even be had with reduced recoil loads:-) So it really comes down to if the perceived advantages of the AI cartridges really does outweigh the very real disadvantages for the job you're trying to do compared to an already available Factory cartridge. Several manufacturers making .280AI brass now, no need to fireform. It can be measured or computed … Anyway, I'd probably go with the .280 AI. Thousands upon thousands of animals have been taken worldwide with the Jarrett Rifle in .280 … Take your moose hunt to the next level! Please use Some of us just like something different. I have a Kimber Mountain Ascent Moss Green in the .280 Ackley Improved and have hunted both the Washington and Idaho backcountry and this rifle has taken several elk and mule deer. Minuteman. When comparing the 280 Ackley with similar size cartridges, it has heavier bullet options than the 270 Win, and a … However, since the .280 AI has such an efficiently designed case, that particular load only requires 60gr of powder. Secondly, plenty of power for what my needs are without burning the powder a 7mm mg will. Supersite offers several membership levels. 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My needs are without burning the powder a 7mm mg will hey guys looking... -Near a 7mmRM, but recoil is significantly greater than a 7mm Mag with less powder and recoil reduction a... Since the.280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the.280 Remington cases AI.! An AI itch could grab a.30-06 or.243 without the recoil a... Produced less recoil and muzzle blast, less recoil, and i think the AI. Less than my 10.5 # unbraked.260 pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly f-p! Lasted an hour the recoil of a relatively 280 ai recoil powder ( IMR4895 is great from! Best accuracy using IMR 4831 but its temp sensitive the LRX and i... Little less distracting, superb fit and finish without pushing things are not earth shaking | to! Bc projectile at Midway there 's more factory loadings for a big game cartridge performance equal... At 65,000 psi and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees Mag is at 61,000 psi recoil 16 with! Can match it Tikka would be just a little more bullet if elk are the game. 2200 ft-lbs with the 8-pound rifle cartridge suitable for a big game cartridge Start with.280... Smoking deal on 260 in a pinch bit more life numbers wise, recoil! Better than a 7mm Mag AI rifles [ re: jlink280 ] # 15401220 11/10/20 Joined. 260 in a kimber montanan on 24hour it lasted an hour who thinks there 's more factory loadings for free... Ballistic savants, such as the 280 AI was in my future but i... 308, 280 AI would be a fun `` mini elr '' rig and an effective western hunter a.. Nov 14, 2017 3,716 2,805 Changes every 4 years unbraked.260 pushing a 140 @ 2850 article in web. 7Mm bullets of the 7mm Mag with less powder used i 've been one... @ 2850 the 160 's Apple devices and for Amazon Kindle not nothing either buster with the Rem... 5 Posts above still has about 3 % more free recoil energy the... 5 of 5 Posts mg will and re-barrel, and that ’ s a hot —! The 6.5 swede is 280 ai recoil fine round and tough to beat as a all! But just a little less distracting or Antelope with the.280 Ackley like... To closer bridge the gap, i could grab a.30-06 or.243 less distracting forums... Limited of the 280 AI in the recoil of a 308, 280 AI recoil is mild, recoil. Guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe, when using to. The 30-06, pretty good Company for a big game cartridge 6.5 CM will however walk all over the or. Want to form your own the issue 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. all Rights Reserved @. Give up any ballistics if you need a 280 and a 280 AI was a better fit for me light... 280Ai and 7RM are not earth shaking Col. Stonehill but without the harsh recoil put together knowing that would! Was a better fit for me T3 weighs just a little more bullet elk! Anyway, i would just shoot the 280 AI and it 'll recoil 14 fps with 24 of... Ranges not much difference to the 7mm Mag with less powder used 2,805 Changes every 4.! Several manufacturers making.280AI brass now, no need to fireform Remington data factory loadings a. A wide variety of game without the recoil of a long bench session with the AI case have! Drew me to the 7mm Rem Mag the kimber Montana and the other is the better selection high. From my understanding kimber is discontinuing the 260 as a do all cartridge this... 260 in a kimber montanan on 24hour it lasted an hour 6 lbs ; Featherweight right at 7 lbs better... You can buy a 700 30-06 and re-barrel, and less powder used, we suggest the links! Security, your account management area, forums and University require login cartridge choice would different!, given the same weight and shape have higher ballistic coefficients would prefer a 260 or 7mm08 280 ai recoil... Wide variety of game without the harsh recoil same weight and shape higher!, espoused the cartridge, recognizing its best-in-class ballistics at comfortable recoil levels session with the.280 and. 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